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This is a forum for understanding of Christianity, through Bible and teachings of Jesus Christ. It is well known that the Moses and Jesus Christ did not speak English or Greek, the present day English Bibles are translations of translations  by many unknown scribes during past hundred of years, while the original books of Bible are non extant. Analysis of the teachings of Jesus Christ as available in the four Gospels, does not directly support the doctrines of Christianity, which are based upon theology of Paul of Tarsus and later Church fathers. [Video]

Jesus Christ obeyed & worshiped One God and preached the same.

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So question arises;

What should be done by a simple person who believes in God, wants to obey Him,  seek eternal bliss and salvation?
Its very simple, if someone is seriously  sick, he/she shall search for a credible doctor and if any stage it is found that he is fake, unreliable, immediately treatment is discontinued, one looks for batter one. God has given us wisdom and intellect to discern truth from falsehood. We spend years in education and learning to earn livelihood and respectable life. We have to make some effort to discover and earn eternal life, blessings and spiritual peace.
Take a bath, wear clean cloths, sit down alone and pray to God: “O, God of the universe, You are the Creator, Cherishes of all, You are Gracious and Merciful, I want to follow the right path which is pleasing to You, please help me, guide me to the Truth. Amen.
  1. Free your mind of all your existing beliefs & ideas.
  2. If you are a Christian, take Red or Blue lettered Gospels”, pen , marker and papers. Start reading Gospels, slowly, gradually, take your time, don’t be in hurry.
  3. Underline, highlight, note down the teachings, sayings of Jesus Christ what he physically and openly preached to people and 12 disciples, not in “VISIONS or Dreams”. [Thomas Jefferson’s Experience]
  4. Discard what is not common in four Gospels. Critically examine it, accept what is clear, obvious your are near to the Truth, discard any belief which is ambiguous, not clearly , openly preached by Jesus Christ.
  5. Look around for people who you find practicing closer to the real teachings of Jesus Christ. Seek their assistance.
  6. Continue with your quest for Truth till you find it. Keep praying to God for His help. Onus lies with Him.
  7. Keep exploring, keep reading ………. This site will assist in this regards.

“You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart” (Jeremiah 29:13)

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While the Basic concept of Bible remains monotheistic [Deuteronomy;6:4-5, Psalms;14:1, 116:5Job;23:8-9, Exodus; 9:14, 34:6-7, Psalms;, 2Samuel;7:22, Isaiah;46:5,9, Matthew;19:17-19, Mark;12:29-31, Romans;1:25]; some passages are interpreted to support Christian Church doctrines. One message is clear:
Jesus answered, “The greatest is, ‘Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. The second is like this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.[Mark 12:29-31]

The Bible itself and the scholars agree that the present text is not as was originally revealed:
“How do you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly he made it falsely; the pen of the scribes made it a lie.”[Jeremiah 8:8]. 
“Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write misfortune which they have prescribed; To turn aside the needy from justice, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!”[Isaiah 10:1-2]

Extracts from ‘Preface’ to RSV Bible approved by The National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA reproduced below also confirms the same:
‘The King James Version of the New Testament was based upon a Greek text that was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscript copying.’
‘Sometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of the versions provides a satisfactory restoration.’
‘Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manu­scripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation.’  

‘Sometimes the present translation will be found to render a Hebrew word in a sense quite different from that of the traditional interpretation.’
‘Many difficulties and obscurities, of course, remain.’
‘We now possess many more ancient manuscripts of the New Testament, and are far better equipped to seek to recover the original wording of the Greek text’
 
The scholars are continuously trying to improve and to make the Biblical text as closer to the ‘visualised original’ as possible but the task is  not only arduous but impossible due to non existence of original scripts. Under these circumstances it is the individual responsibility to find out truth as Jesus Christ urged his followers to use the reason and intellect to discern the truth from falsehood:

“He also said to the multitudes, “When you see a cloud rising in the west, you say at once, ‘A shower is coming’; and so it happens. And when you see the south wind blowing, you say, ‘There will be scorching heat’; and it happens. You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of earth and sky; but why do you not know how to interpret the present time? “And why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?” [Luke;12:54-56]

It is aimed to facilitate efforts of knowledge seekers to discern the truth from falsehood with the intellectual use of available evidence with in Bible and history. Every one is entitled to his belief but one has to be sure that its based upon the real teachings not derived human work, which may result in everlasting doom & destruction:
“The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. But if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.”(Ezekiel;18:20-21)
“The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” (Deuteronomy 24:16, 2Kings 14:6)
“In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.” (Jeremiah 31:29-30)
“Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings. Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.” (Isaiah 3:10-11)
“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” (Matthew 16:27 )

There may be some other verses with conflicting meanings, in such a situation one has to apply his/her intellect to discern truth from false in the light of saying of Jesus Christ; “And why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?” [Luke;12:56]. Remember;“God is not the author of confusion…” (1 Corinthians 14:33). It is simple and logical that a son can not be punished for the crime of his father or any one else, so any doctrine which deviates from the simple logic and clear Biblical text does not stand up to the criteria.
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Conclusion
How do you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly he made it falsely; the pen of the scribes made it a lie [Jeremiah 8:8]
Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write misfortune which they have prescribed; To turn aside the needy from justice, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless! [Isaiah 10:1-2]
So question arises that:
What should be done by a simple person who believes in God, wants to obey Him,  seek eternal bliss and salvation?
Its very simple, if someone is seriously  sick, he/she shall search for a credible doctor and if any stage it is found that he is fake, unreliable, immediately treatment is discontinued, one looks for batter one. God has given us wisdom and intellect to discern truth from falsehood. We spend years in education and learning to earn livelihood and respectable life. We have to make some effort to discover and earn eternal life, blessings and spiritual peace.
Take a bath, wear clean cloths, sit down alone and pray to God: “O, God of the universe, You are the Creator, Cherishes of all, You are Gracious and Merciful, I want to follow the right path which is pleasing to You, please help me, guide me to the Truth. Amen.
  1. Free your mind of all your existing beliefs & ideas.
  2. If you are a Christian, take Red or Blue lettered Gospels”, pen , marker and papers. Start reading Gospels, slowly, gradually, take your time, don’t be in hurry.
  3. Underline, highlight, note down the teachings, sayings of Jesus Christ what he physically and openly preached to people and 12 disciples, not in “VISIONS or Dreams”. [Thomas Jefferson’s Experience]
  4. Discard what is not common in four Gospels. Critically examine it, accept what is clear, obvious your are near to the Truth, discard any belief which is ambiguous, not clearly , openly preached by Jesus Christ.
  5. Look around for people who you find practicing closer to the real teachings of Jesus Christ. Seek their assistance.
  6. Continue with your quest for Truth till you find it. Keep praying to God for His help. Onus lies with Him.
  7. Keep exploring, keep reading ………. This site will assist in this regards.
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Why Monotheists be interested in Christianity and Bible? 


The three monotheistic religions, Jews, Christians & Muslims are linked  through the common ancestor and spiritual father of these great faiths, Abraham, the great monotheist. Muslims, also believe in the Biblical prophets and revelations to them from God hence closer to Jews and Christians. While Jews don’t believe in Jesus Christ, the Muslims revere Jesus Christ as a great prophet and messenger of God. While there are many differences, the main difference is the Christian doctrine of Trinity which according to many Biblical scholars is extra biblical.
However the least they can do is to to believe in Just One God, [not Trinity] the concept, always followed by Christians in varying numbers during last 2000 years, the number growing now. This may save them form idolatry, polytheism, the great unforgivable sin according to Bible (Exodus 34:14 ; Isaiah 2:8,
1Sa 15:23, Mt 6:24; Lu 16:13; Col 3:5; Eph 5:5, Acts 10:25 Acts 10:26, Revelation 22:8, 22:9) and Quran. Even seven laws of Noah which according to Jews if followed by gentiles are enough for their salvation, they include this great sin of worshipping any one beside God.(see Quran;4:116)
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How the Shared Titles of God and Christ make Jesus Divine?

Oneness Pentecostals, exponents of Modalism as it was anciently called, are correct in their acknowledgement that the Bible does not teach that God is a Trinity. Their belief that God is one singular Personis commendable and is certainly a minority position within Christendom. Their failure lies in retaining the false Trinitarian concept of the dual nature of Jesus, the idea that God, i.e. God the Son, became a man, that Christ has two natures: one deity, the other human.

Whereas Trinitarians believe that God the Son became a man, Oneness believers insist that God the Father became a man. Both these views are false to Scripture. Oneness adherents tend to place the distinction between the Son and the Father as “a flesh vs. Spirit ” contrast. For example, let us look at three different ways of explaining Jesus praying to his Father in the garden of Gethsemane. We will consider the Trinitarian view, the Oneness view, and the Unitarian view.

Trinitarian view: God the Son was praying to God the Father.

Oneness view: Although Jesus is the Father robed in flesh, his human nature (the Son) was praying to his divine nature (the Father).

Unitarian view: The man, Christ Jesus, was praying to the One God of the Bible, his Father.

One of the major stumbling blocks to Oneness believers is the fact that titles which are applied to God are applied also to Jesus Christ. The assertion is that, since God and Jesus share many titles (Redeemer, Savior, God, Shepherd, Lord, King of Kings, Judge), they must be one and the same Person. This follows from the Oneness conviction that God is a single Person. The argument can be very convincing, and it is certainly one of the major hindrances to Oneness believers coming to a biblical unitarian understanding of God and Christ. If it is true that the sharing of these titles means that Jesus is in fact the LORD God Himself, then it should stand to reason that nobody else could have these titles applied to them, since there is only one God. Let us see what the Scriptures reveal:

Redeemer
“So I thought to inform you, saying, ‘Buy it before those who are sitting here, and before the elders of my people. If you will redeem it, redeem it; but if not, tell me that I may know; for there is no one but you to redeem it, and I am after you.’ And he said, ‘ I will redeem it’” (Ruth 4:4, NASB).
In this verse, Boaz is discussing with Naomi’s near kinsman who would redeem her land and marry her daughter-in-law, Ruth. The near kinsman rejected the deal, and so Boaz became Ruth’s redeemer .

Savior
“Therefore you gave them into the hand of their enemies, who made them suffer. And in the time of their suffering they cried out to you, and you heard them from heaven, and according to your great mercies you gave them saviors who saved them from the hand of their enemies” (Nehemiah 9:27, ESV).
As seen in the book of Judges, Israel would often rebel against God, causing Him to oppress them with their enemies. Upon their repentance, God would send them a savior , that is, an individual from among Israelwho would destroy the oppressor and save Israel.

“God”
“Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘See, I make you as God to Pharaoh , and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet’” (Exodus 7:1, NASB).
“I said, ‘ You are gods ; and all of you are sons of the most High’” (Psalm 82:6, NASB).
The Hebrew word Elohim , meaning God/god, was applied to the true God (Yahweh), Moses, Israelite judges, kings, and false gods. The word simply means someone who has great authority and power, and does not only apply to Yahweh.

Shepherd
“Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel . Prophesy and say to those shepherds, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “ Woe, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flock?”’” (Ezekiel 34:2, NASB).
“I will set shepherds over them who will care for them, and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall any be  missing, declares the LORD” (Jeremiah 23:4, ESV).
God spoke to the shepherds of Israel, even though He was the Shepherd of Israel. Moreover, during the millennium God will set up shepherds to feed His flock. These are the saints who will rule and reign with Christ.

Lord
“So Sarah laughed to herself, saying, ‘After I am worn out, and my lord is old, shall I have pleasure?’” (Genesis 18:12, ESV).
“The LORD says to my lord:‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet’” (Psalm 110:1).
Many people in the Bible are referred to as lord. It is simply a term of respect, much like calling a man “today. David tells us that the LORD (Yahweh) prophetically told David’s lord (adoni, the lord Messiah) to sit at His right hand. Adoni is a Hebrew word translated “lord” and refers all 195 times to a human or angelic NON-DEITY superior. It never refers to Yahweh.
This Old Testament Scripture is quoted in the New Testament more than any other and is crucial to our understanding of Christ’s relationship to God. Although David was king, he recognized that the future Messiah would be his superior and would sit at God’s right hand.
David never imagined that the Messiah would be a second GOD, making two GODS!

King of kings

“You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory” (Daniel 2:37, ESV).
Daniel calls Nebuchadnezzar the king of kings. Daniel was not confusing him with Yahweh, but merely acknowledging the fact that human beings can share God’s titles in certain situations. Moreover we see that, although he was considered “king of kings,” his authority was a derived authority: it came from God almighty who is the ultimate King of Kings.

Judge
“For the LORD is our judge ; the LORD is our lawgiver; the LORD is our king; he will save us” (Isaiah33:22, ESV).
“When the LORD raised up judges for them, the LORD was with the judge and delivered them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the LORD was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who oppressed and afflicted them” [Judges 2:18,NASB].

Ultimately, Yahweh is the Judge. Nevertheless, He raised up human judges and He was with them in their judgments. Paul said that there is coming a day when God will judge the world “by a man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising him from the dead” (Acts 17:31). This is an example of agency, which is the way in which God, ever since the fall of man, has interacted with humanity. The saints too are destined to judge the world (1 Cor. 6:2). One can also see the concept of agency in the New Testament, in the relationship between Christ and his followers: “As he was traveling, it happened that he
was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?’ And he said, ‘Who are you, lord?’ And he said, ‘ I am Jesus whom you are persecuting’” (Acts 9:3-5, NASB).

Saul was not chasing Jesus around trying to arrest him. He was in fact persecuting the followers of Jesus . However, because the church is the body of Christ, they are his agents or ambassadors, and so to persecute them is to persecute Christ himself.
“‘When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’ The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of mine, even the least of them, you did it to me’” (Matthew 25:39-40, NASB).

In biblical language, to do something to a Christian is to do something to Jesus. This does not, however, make the church identical to Jesus or Jesus identical to the church.
We also see titles shared by Christ and the church:“Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, ‘I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life’” (John 8:12,ESV).
“You are the light of the world . A city set on a hill cannot be hidden” (Matthew 5:14, ESV).
Either Jesus was extremely confused as to who he was and who we are, or he both acknowledged and used the concept of agency.
The fact that men and angels can bear the name and titles of God is well attested to in the Scriptures, as is the fact that Christians can function as agents of Jesus Christ. The principle of agency is critical for a right understanding of who Jesus is in relation to the One God (see Raymond James Essoe’s “Shaliah: An Introduction to the Law of Agency” at http://christianmonotheism.com).
As a former Oneness believer, I can appreciate the force of the shared titles argument. However, the argument falls flat when we see these same titles applied to other men. It should be fully expected that the Messiah, the special human agent whom God could use to redeem His creation, the one who fully represents and speaks for God, who is His very Word and image, would bear all of these divine titles. Indeed he is our Redeemer, our Savior, our God (in a Messianic sense). He is our Shepherd, our Lord, and our King. He is all of these things because this uniquely exalted position has been conferred on him by God: “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth’” (Matt. 28:18).
By Mike Hicks: http://www.christianmonotheism.com/media/text/Raymond%20Essoe%20–%20Shaliah.pdf
http://focusonthekingdom.org/146.pdf

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